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WATER/WASTEWATER TASK FORCE MEETING

MINUTES

(APPROVED AT TASK FORCE MEETING OF OCTOBER 28, 1999)

September 23, 1999

11:30 a.m. - 1:30 p.m.

Salem Public Library - Anderson Auditorium

1) CALL TO ORDER

The meeting was called to order by Councilor Ann Gavin Sample, as Chairperson Councilor Paul Wulf would be arriving to the meeting later.

2) INTRODUCTIONS

Introductions were made. Members, staff, and citizens were in attendance as noted below.

Members Present Members Absent
Councilor Paul Wulf, Chair
Councilor Ann Gavin Sample
Councilor Don Scott
Wendy Kroger
JB Summers
Eleanor Miller
Mike Gotterba
Ross Peterson
Steven Anderson
Councilor Wes Bennett
Tony Neilson (shared membership w/Wendy Kroger)
Commercial Business (Vacant)
General Public (Vacant)

Citizens in attendance included Steve Travis (Oregon Cherry Growers), Lynn Halladey (AgriPac).

Staff present included Frank Mauldin (Public Works Director), Diane Taniguchi- Dennis (Assistant Public Works Director), Paul Eckley (Chief Utilities Engineer), Keith Whisenhunt (Assistant City Engineer), Jack Merritt (Assistant Finance Director), Pat Dodge (Management Analyst II), Karl Goertzen (City Engineer), Randy Pecor (Wastewater Collection Superintendent), Ken Roley (Facilities Engineer), Jim Long (Housing Rehab Project Coordinator, Community Development), John Russell (Redevelopment Program Supervisor, Community Development).

3) CITIZEN INPUT

No citizen input at this time.


4) MINUTES

Approval of the minutes were postponed as there was not a quorum of members to return a vote.

5) SEWER RATES - FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY STUDY

Jack Merritt handed out a discussion paper regarding “Price Elasticity of Water Demand” in response to a question posed by Councilor Don Scott at the previous Task Force meeting about the effect that water rate increases might have on water consumption or water demand.

Jack Merritt stated that there is limited published information on this subject. In general, the economic relationship between price and demand for water is strongly affected by a number of factors. There have been a number of studies which attempt to quantify the price elasticity of water demand for different types of customers in different regions of the country.

Some study findings include: A positive correlation between elasticity and rate levels, elasticity is dependent on geography and climate, demographics influence price elasticity, strong correlation between elasticity and public education. Also important to note is that while price is one factor that influences demand, the price effect on usage can be limited or dominated by other demand parameters including temperature, rainfall, and household income. Jack Merritt also handed out a graphical chart presenting the price elasticity of water demands.

Jack will be back at next month's meeting with proposed water and sewer rate increases planned to be effective January 1, 2000.

6) SEWER LATERAL POLICY ISSUE

Diane Taniguchi-Dennis and Keith Whisenhunt reviewed information presented at the September 9, 1999, Task Force meeting, and continued the presentation of the new material held over from the September 9 meeting.

Councilor Gavin Sample asked if there is any assurance of continued CDBG funds as a source of funding for this program (sewer lateral replacement loan funding). John Russell responded by saying the funds are not totally secure as the Federal funds are being cut back a little, but there is significant support for this type of funding and they do think this money will be around for awhile. The use of these funds are subject to the allocation process between all uses.

As more information was reviewed, Councilor Scott asked for an explanation as to why the extraneous water program is part of the sewer main R&R program. He had thought it was it was part of the positive protection program.
Karl Goertzen stated that the reason the extraneous water program is part of the sewer main R&R program is that when a private sewer lateral is replaced we have found that many of the properties still have foundation and roof drain interconnections. Therefore, if while replacing a sewer lateral, you find these interconnections which probably contribute more to I/I than the leaky service itself, it makes efficiency sense to go ahead and remove the extraneous water at the time the private sewer lateral is replaced as part of the sewer main R&R program.

Councilor Scott responded that he understands the plumbing problems. Maybe it is the right way to do it policy-wise, but he does not recall a discussion about doing that part of it as part of the sewer main R&R program. The original vision was to deal with the laterals. He does not have a problem with telling folks they need to take care of this, just like they need to take care of their gutters if they have no gutters or if they have gutters that are leaking or blocked and they just dump all the water right at the foundation. That needs to be taken care of in terms of properly protecting their property and handling the water runoff, but it is a little bit different program. That is what he was asking for comment on, not the plumbing problem.

Frank Mauldin stated that including the extraneous water removal as part of the sewer main R&R program previously went before the Task Force and went to City Council in a Staff Report. It was approved by City Council to be included as part of sewer main R&R program.

Keith Whisenhunt continued the presentation with a flow chart for the Home Sales Approach. In this flow chart, when the property owner decides to sell the home, two situations could occur. One, the home is less than 20 years old or has been certified in the previous 5 years. There is no need to go through a new certification process.

The second situation is if the home does not meet this criteria, then the property owner obtains certification and permits from the City. The property owner selects and hires the contractor to perform the certification work. The contractor performs a TV inspection, identifies extraneous water locations, and explains to the property owner what needs to be done.

If the property owner chooses to defer repairs until after the home sale, then they will enter into an agreement with the City that funds from proceeds of the sale will be held in escrow pending completion of the work. That provision is included to cover several situations. One might be where a home sale is occurring in a wet time of year and it would create a lot of additional work and damage to the yard. Another situation might be where a home sale occurs very quickly with a short escrow and maybe a third situation might be where it either qualifies for exemption under this criteria, but because the sale took longer than expected, then the escrow has occurred outside this exemption.
Rather than hold up the home sale, we would have them go ahead and enter into an agreement and set those funds aside. The contractor would then proceed to make the repairs and perform the certification test. When work passed the test, the homeowner would receive the certificate of compliance which would be good for 5 years.

There was discussion on when the certification of the sewer lateral would take place and how long certification is good for. There was a question about who would be eligible to complete the certification. An alternative discussed would be for the City to provide certification and training to those contractors performing the work. Also to consider having separate certified contractors to perform the sewer lateral certification work from the contractors who complete the replacement or repair work to avoid a conflict of interest issue.

JB Summers stated that maybe the homeowners need a right of appeal in order to keep the title companies and the private inspection companies from making the program another “cash cow.” If the contractor that inspects says they need the whole thing replaced, and it is going to cost you x-thousand dollars. Well, if you are a homeowner moving to Philadelphia, for example, because it is a rather rush time, you have a tendency to say yes, go ahead, it is important to make the sale. The City ends up benefitting because it ends up with a new lateral, the new homeowner benefits because they have their lateral replace, but there could be times when this lends itself to taking advantage of the seller.

Frank Mauldin stated that there is going to be a TV record of that inspection so there will be some check on the contractors.

Additional discussion items included financing cost, joint responsibility on failures in the right-of-way, how many lateral being replaced and the cost, and the degree of demand there will be for the City's loan program.

During the discussion of joint responsibility, Frank Mauldin stated the loan program would apply to just City of Salem initially, but the City could request other districts such as Jan Ree and Suburban East Salem Water District to participate when agreements come up for renewal.

Discussion covered the existing positive protection program, including changes to consider.

Councilor Scott stated that the Positive Protection Program is spending almost $9,000 per home which is more than the sewer main R&R. Frank Mauldin stated that the sewer main R&R program does not solve the problems that the people with sewer backups into basements have.

Councilor Scott stated that it does and it doesn't . If it stops the infiltration, you are taking care of the problem because the only reason you have backups is because of excessive infiltration. Frank Mauldin discussed that it is a big leap to conclude that we can fix the basement backup problems by replacing sewer mains and not deal with the plumbing problems associated with basements. We may or may not be successful.

Councilor Scott discussed that we have been told over and over that the problem with the backups is because of stormwater infiltration into the system. We don't have to stop every drop of it, but if we can get a long ways down toward stopping it, we will take care of it.

Frank Mauldin discussed that the whole basis of the Positive Protection Program is positive protection. Once we went in and did the work, the homeowners didn't have to worry about getting a great big storm and something happening to the sewer system, because they were given positive protection. When we just fixed the public sewers, they still there was still a problem. A lot of homes have basements. The problem is that the basement plumbing is very close to the same elevation as the sewer lines and it only takes a very small amount of surcharging to create backups. That is what we found in Fairgrounds Road area.

Discussion then turned to a general summary of the sewer lateral replacement program. Discussion also included an implementation plan for the New Sewer Lateral Policy in FY 2000/2001 and re-evaluation of the program to refine the program.

The recommended schedule is for:


Draft Task Force Policy Recommendation

December 1999


Stakeholder Review
of Draft Task Force Policy Recommendation

January-March 2000


Task Force Review of Stakeholder Comments

April 2000


Final Task Force Policy Recommendation to City Council

May 2000


 

Councilor Scott requested a copy of the draft Policy Recommendation before the December meeting. He suggested that before we start talking to neighborhood associations, etc., that the Task Force needs to come up with up some sort of scenario such as: This is the kind of I&I we think is a realistic target that we can reduce under this and that means that we are looking at delaying this part of a billion dollar investment however big a portion of that is Willow Lakes by 5 or 10 years or whatever scenario that plays out, so that we have some thing we can talk about in fairly specific terms. This committee pretty well agrees that this probably is a worthwhile goal, but until we actually we do some “what-if-ing” through this, we should take some time to go through this.

Mike Gotterba asked if the inspection finds that there is a lateral problem in City's right-of-way, what happens? Diane Dennis discussed that this is a judgement call of the severity of the problem in the right-of-way. If it can be delayed until a sewer main R&R project, we would delay it. Problems requiring repair or replacement in the right-of-way under the joint responsibility scenario the would be the City's responsibility.

Discussion focused on owner vs. owner-occupied in limiting the program. The focus is equity. John Russell stated that Salem has a very high rate of single- family homes that are rentals. JB Summers stated that the use of a low income test to get the low interest may resolve the equity issue and suggested not requiring owner occupancy as a limit to the program.

Councilor Scott stated that if we are talking about a scenario where the City is fully paid back for its costs, why not expand to all homeowners? As long as the City is not out funds, I do not understand the rationale for not simply making the program available for everybody that is in need of the work being done.

John Russell explained the administration and coverage by CDBG grant funding is limited in focus. Sewer rates could be used in lieu of CDBG for non low income homeowners.

Councilor Wulf, Chairperson, instructed that members should call Diane Dennis if something comes to mind in the next 30 days regarding the issues discussed.

At this time, there is a quorum of the members and a vote was taken on the minutes. The minutes were approved and passed unanimously as written.

8) OTHER

No other discussion.

Next meeting will be October 28, Anderson Auditorium, 11:30-1:30.
Proposed new water and sewer rates.

9) ADJOURN

Meeting adjourned at 1:00 p.m.

These minutes are transcribed from notes and the tape recording of the Task Force meeting on September 23, 1999, as an overview of the meeting. They are not verbatim. The tape recorded meeting is available for review in the Office of the Public Works Director. The attachments are to the file copy only. Copies of the attachments were distributed at the meeting and by mail to those unable to attend the meeting.



Linda Nelson, Staff Assistant II
September 27, 1999

Attachments:
Attendance Sheet (file copy only)
Presentation Materials (file copy only)

 

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